Well, welcome everyone. I am so excited to have Lyndsey Mimnagh on our show today. Lyndsey is a homeschool mom and the founder of Treehouse Schoolhouse, which is a place of biblical encouragement and practical tips for intentional motherhood and home education.
Today, Lyndsey’s resources are used by families all over the world, and she’s been a guest on a number of podcasts, including Full Faith Mama, which is where we found her, and we are so excited for her to share her wealth of insight and experience with us today. So welcome, Lyndsey.
Lyndsey (00:50.112)
Thank you, Candace. This is gonna be a great conversation. I love feeling like I’m in a room with other moms that have the same heartbeat, and that’s what it feels like here. So this is gonna be so fun.
Candace Nassar (01:00.788)
Praise God. Absolutely. I’m a few years ahead of you, but same heart for sure. So why don’t you start by just introducing yourself to our listeners-telling them about what you do, your family, that sort of thing.
Lyndsey (01:15.724)
Sure, so I’m a mom in the trenches right now in homeschooling. My youngest is four and my oldest is 11. And we’ve been homeschooling throughout our whole journey. Before motherhood, I found a passion in children’s ministry and also in missions work. And so I didn’t get married till I was in my upper 20s. So I spent my 20s doing missions work in children’s homes. And I was a full-time children’s ministries director at a church for a while.
I was a nanny and I actually ended up being given the opportunity to homeschool the child I was nannying for. And so between children’s ministry, ministry on mission field, and experiencing home education, I fell in love with all of that and especially just being able to slow down and disciple children. That was like my biggest passion. And so then, when I became a mom, I was able to really take all of those gifts and those experiences.
Candace Nassar (02:06.292)
Yes.
Lyndsey (02:12.01)
And I started discipling my own children and creating resources for my children. And the Lord opened up a door to start sharing those publicly. And so then we just kept going and God has just been so amazing to give me so many opportunities to write curriculum for homeschoolers. And also a lot of our resources are used in churches and Sunday schools and things like that. So yeah, He just has led me to this point through my life experiences. So that’s a little bit about what we do.
Candace Nassar (02:32.832)
Fantastic.
Candace Nassar (02:38.12)
I love that. That’s so great. You know, you, I understand you said God called you and you said yes. And I’m sure at the beginning you had no idea that this was going to go to where it is today that He was going to direct your steps in this direction. So, so good for you for stepping out and doing this. And now God is obviously using it in a big way. So, and I really identify with that. It
Lyndsey (03:05.984)
Yeah, it’s very scary when you’re a mom in the trenches and, you know, I didn’t have a vision for doing much outside of my home because I feel like, you know, I did so many things before I got married and had children and I kind of thought, okay, I got that out of my system, the ministry and all of that. But then when you have children, it’s just so hard to imagine what you could do outside of your home while still maintaining the number one priority, being your family.
And so the whole journey, it’s been “an abiding in Him” because He’s saying like, “There’s more for you. There’s more that I want you to do in the world and use what I’m doing in your home to inspire other families.” And it does often feel like I’m drowning, you know, trying to carry all of this, but the Lord always is so encouraging that if I abide in Him, He will open the doors and He will bring the right people to help me delegate things and take these off my plate. So I can really focus on the things that He has called me to. And so, yeah, that’s an encouragement to all moms.
When you’re in the trenches of motherhood, sometimes the Lord does call us to other things and that it’s also an example to our children to use our callings and to use our passions and to show our kids what it looks like to really say “yes”, even if we don’t understand how it’s all gonna flesh out and bring our kids along in the journey. Cause my kids get to see like, “Look guys, we’re writing this discipleship resource. We’re putting it out in the world. People are opening their Bibles with their kids for the very first time because of the things that mommy’s writing and the way that we’re praying for this.”
Candace Nassar (04:05.288)
Yes.
Lyndsey (04:25.246)
And so it gets to be a family ministry, a family, a whole family journey, you know, so it’s really, really an honor.
Candace Nassar (04:28.486)
So
Candace Nassar (04:31.781)
Right, one of the things we say in MomQ all the time is, is “caught than taught”. And so they’re watching you just hold your hands out to Jesus and just say, use me and surrender to him. I love that you’re talking about abiding. That’s actually, I do a centering prayer every morning when I’m with Jesus and that is my word-abide because I have the same exact thing. I’m in a ministry where I often don’t know where it’s going.
I don’t always know how this particular day is going to get accomplished and He will send someone into my life or those exact same things you were saying. So I love that if we abide in Him and trust in Him, He will do that and that your kids are seeing you do that as well. So thank you for that encouragement. That’s really good. So tell us about why you chose to do this.
Lyndsey (05:14.988)
Absolutely.
Lyndsey (05:20.672)
Well, you know, I just love the gift of time that homeschooling gives. And I think every family really needs to bring this to the Lord because there’s not one holy way to do education. But I just feel like I love spending this time with my children. I love having slow days. I love being in control of what my children are learning and really being a part of it and having that connection point. So I want to make memories alongside them. I want to study alongside them, learn things. Really, it brings me a lot of joy.
And so for our family, it was like not even an option for me, not because I don’t believe in schools or, you know, I know that other other people bring gifts to the table, but it was something I really had a desire to do. And it was something that my husband and I both, just from the beginning, agreed made sense for our family. And one of the most important things to us is discipling our children. And why would I want someone else to spend the majority of their day with my child when,
Candace Nassar (06:03.172)
Mm -hmm.
Lyndsey (06:19.262)
you know, I have the opportunity to do that. And so I feel like discipleship can be structured when you’re opening a resource with your children, you’re going through a Bible study, and that’s one very important aspect of discipleship. But then there’s the everyday learning experiences. So, like you’re taking a walk and you see someone that’s different than you, and your child has a question and you take that opportunity to talk to them about how God loves people of all races or all differences. And I’m just throwing out an example, but,
you know, when we take our kids to the grocery store, when we open up our homes for people, all of these opportunities are ways to bring Jesus into everyday life. And I guess for me, I just thought homeschooling is the best way that I can spend the most time with my children at this age and disciple them really all day long.
Candace Nassar (07:06.763)
I love that so much. That is a priority for us at MomQ as well as we often talk about how it is the role of the parents to be the primary discipler of our children. And however that works for you, you know, I love that you’re saying time because it does take time. Although it’s interesting because you’re talking about those God moments. That’s what I call those God moments as you’re just living your day. And sometimes those are happening when you’re driving them in the car.
Or whatever it is, you’re just repurposing the time that you have. But having those intentional moments too. So you’ve got your God moments and you’ve got your intentional. And that’s really what you’re talking about is those resources and the things that you do will help our parents, our moms, be able to do that. So good. And the homeschooling journey, I mean, I was telling you, I’ve tried it all. I’ve done homeschooling, I’ve done Christian schooling, I’ve done public school and I did love homeschooling and that in that slower pace that we could really have that time. So I get it.
Lyndsey (08:11.558)
I think the key is intentionality because I work now part-time and so it’s not like I’m with my children all day long and you know they could be at a school for however long I’m working. So I think the key is that when we are with our children, which is a lot of time no matter what kind of schooling situation you have, it’s to remember that all of those moments count and that we can be intentional with the time that we have. So some of our discipleship resources that I create
Candace Nassar (08:21.013)
That’s right.
Lyndsey (08:37.738)
families use that don’t homeschool. They find the time because it matters to them. And so they do it in the evening around the fireplace. They do it over breakfast. So homeschooling, or not homeschooling, we can be intentional with the way that we disciple our children in the intentional ways, like using resources and in the God moments, like you’re saying, because we all do have some time to give our children. And so it’s more about what we do at that time than how much time or which educational choice that you have.
Candace Nassar (08:42.067)
Mm -hmm.
Candace Nassar (08:56.799)
Yes. Yes.
Candace Nassar (09:03.037)
Mm -hmm.
Perfect, couldn’t agree more. So we’re talking about Advent today as we are about to head into the Advent season. And so why don’t you talk to us, tell us what Advent means to you.
Lyndsey (09:19.404)
For me, it’s slowing down. It’s like that time of year where everybody’s speeding up because you’re trying to plan all these vacations and do all these gifts and all these traditions and which a lot of those things are really special and they mean a lot. But for me, the Advent side of things is slowing down and having some intentionality to your days leading up to the birth of Christ and really just choosing to spend a little bit of time each day with our children to talk to them about
Candace Nassar (09:39.389)
Very good.
Lyndsey (09:45.93)
what’s going on, you know, in the progression of the story leading up to the birth of Christ and why that mattered and really just centering our hearts on Him. And for me, it also means a lot of fun and really good books and stories and projects and crafts and baking and things that are fun. But if it’s too much to do that stuff and that doesn’t feel life-giving, then that’s not what it means. So sometimes it’s, you know, a stripping away of things.
Candace Nassar (09:53.798)
Mm -hmm.
Lyndsey (10:10.678)
For me and our family, I really like to create memorable traditions that the kids keep coming back to. So we actually use a lot of the same resources year after year. And as they grow, we just go deeper in our discussions and in our prayer and things like that. But we do a lot of the same baking and the crafts so that they have those anchors of memories to come back to. Yeah.
Candace Nassar (10:26.597)
Mm -hmm.
That’s so good. So important. So important. Yeah, my kids are all grown and gone and when they come home, they still want the same menu and the same activities. It’s really good. It’s really important. So as we’re preparing ourselves and our families for Christ’s birth, how does your family or what do you guys do to celebrate Advent? Well, you just told me the traditions, but I mean, is there anything specific biblically that you do or that sort of thing.
Lyndsey (11:02.912)
Yeah, so when I designed our Advent curriculum, it’s three weeks leading up to Christmas, my thought was, you know, we kind of pass by the story real quick towards like maybe on Christmas morning or something like that. But I really wanted to break it down with our kids. And so I started this when they were preschool and maybe first grade and now they’re upper elementary. And we’ve been doing this ever since. But every year for three weeks, what we do is we read a small chunk of the Bible story.
Candace Nassar (11:14.597)
Mm -hmm.
Lyndsey (11:29.772)
for all three weeks leading up to it. And so it’s the whole story in chronological order. And I read, it just might be one little passage and I have it all broken down in my curriculum. And we read it, I read it aloud and then they tell me it back. And so that’s narration. And then they write it out in one or five sentences, depending on their age level, or they tell me it and I’ll write it for them if they’re preschoolers. And then, so it might be you know, just one segment of the story about Mary or, you know, whatever leading up to it. And then they draw a picture of it. And so for three weeks leading up to it, they’re creating this book that’s basically in chronological story, the entire biblical Christmas story. And by the end, they have an illustrated written story of the Bible. And it’s been amazing to see the connections year after year because now they’ve been doing this for five years.
And so every year their narrations, their writing gets a little bit deeper, their illustrations get a little more detailed. We may go a little deeper with the story as we’re reading the Bible, but it’s taking the same story every year and just bringing it back to their attention. Like this is what mattered. This is what they were anticipating. This is why we should anticipate. And of course, connecting it to us now or praying after we read that passage and just connecting it to our lives.
Candace Nassar (12:46.156)
Mm -hmm.
Candace Nassar (12:50.371)
Mm -hmm.
Lyndsey (12:50.782)
And so that’s been a really memorable tradition for us that we do in our homeschool, but it could be something that you just do in the evening, like I said. We also have a certain amount of picture books that are very, very much favorites that are very heart touching. I cry every year and the kids laugh at me, but certain picture books that we read and we do coordinating like baking or crafts that go along with the picture books. And so that’s all laid out in my guide as well. And so it just kind of has these anchors of memories and stories every year. We also, this past year, released Christmas Around the World. And so that is a similar study where you’re going through the Bible stories in the same way, except this time instead of doing the picture books and the crafts, you’re studying a different country and how they celebrate Christmas and their traditions. You’re reading a picture book from that country and you’re baking or creating something from that country. So it’s really fun for cultural and geography study as well.
Candace Nassar (13:25.489)
Candace Nassar (13:48.836)
I love that. I love that. What are your favorite books that you read with your kids for Christmas if you can think of any.
Lyndsey (13:55.55)
Okay, just one. If I had to pick one, I think it would be The Christmas Miracle of Jonathan Toomey. And I can’t, it’s Susan, somebody with a W, her last name, it’s really long. But this story, it gets my heart every time, but it’s about this, I’m not gonna give the whole thing away because you just need to go find it, The Christmas Miracle of Jonathan Toomey. So it’s about this man who has a lot of heartache and he’s really gruff and he moves into this town and he’s a woodworker. He ends up bringing in a little boy and mentoring him in woodworking and it softens his heart. And he ends up making a Christmas nativity scene with wood with this boy. But I can’t tell you all the details. There’s also a movie on Amazon Prime of the book, but read the book first. Read the book, get some tissues nearby. And so what we do for the activity for that one, it’s so fun. The kids actually carve soap.
Candace Nassar (14:35.934)
Yes.
Candace Nassar (14:43.74)
Always.
Lyndsey (14:49.256)
Instead of like wood, you know, or the older kids can carve wood, but every year my kids will carve a Christmas tree shaped soap or a star or an angel and use wood carving tools to kind of pretend like they’re the woodworker in that story.
Candace Nassar (14:51.705)
yeah.
Candace Nassar (15:04.21)
That’s so practical. I love that. So I’m glad I asked you that question. My most favorite book, I don’t know if it’s around still, but when my kids were growing up, it was the story of the candy cane. I don’t know if you know the legend. Thank you.
Lyndsey (15:15.04)
The Legend of the Candy Cane. That is in our curriculum too. And on that, on that day you make candy cane cookies, which are, have you ever made these? They’re like white and red and you twist them up. They’re like almond shortbread, but you crunch peppermint on top. They were cookies from my childhood, my mom’s recipe. And so I had to figure out a way to weave that in, but that is a really, really great book. Yeah. That talks about, you know, the symbolism of the red and the white. Love that one.
Candace Nassar (15:43.289)
Mm hmm. Yeah, so good. Still remember it. Love that. Well, so for the mom who’s never implemented Advent, and this would be the very first time because she’s been inspired, what were some of the things that she can maybe anticipate that could get in the way?
Lyndsey (16:02.666)
I think really just figuring out when and making it a priority. And I think we just always communicate to our children every year like, okay, you know, getting excited like we have, maybe you want to opt out of it for one week. Maybe that’s all that you can handle this year. So just looking at your calendar and saying, this is the time in our day, every day for seven days leading up to Christmas that we’re going to maybe just read one scripture. And especially if you have young children and maybe we’re memorizing one scripture, or maybe we’re reading from a Christmas poetry book that points us back to Christ or just choose one small thing. It’s always about one small habit, right? And so, or try to find a resource, you know, like the resources we’ve created or I know like Jesus Storybook Bible has, if you have preschoolers, they have a free advent reading calendar. There are so many things out there. So even just starting to search, what could I do for one week? Whatever you can have to give and maybe it might be just
Candace Nassar (16:39.974)
Yes.
Lyndsey (16:59.084)
30 minutes before bed, or maybe it’s over lunch, or maybe it’s over breakfast. And so I think really the hurdle would just be your busyness and your calendar, but those are things that are easy to overcome, especially if you make it really engaging and hands-on and exciting for the kids. They’re gonna look forward to it. We might have, in our head, it’s a big hurdle, but once you start talking to your children about these things, even if you’re not really proficient in the word of God, learn alongside them.
Candace Nassar (17:15.558)
Yes.
Lyndsey (17:25.324)
Read something together, discover. If they have a question, don’t feel intimidated. If you don’t know the answer, say, I don’t really know. Let’s figure that out. Let’s look that up together. And you can go on a journey together to discover what Jesus wants you to know in this season.
Candace Nassar (17:39.366)
Right, because I mean at the end of the day part of Advent, I mean we’re preparing our hearts, we’re really focusing on Jesus and we want to keep the reason for the season. I hate to use that age old adage but I think that’s one of the things I want to ask you about. How do you guys keep the commercialism at bay. I was listening to your podcast with Full Faith Mama and I know you have a home in the woods and so you probably have just some great adventures there.
With your homeschooling, it still comes into play, even with extended family wanting to give gifts or things like that. this is part of that. What are some of the other suggestions you might have?
Lyndsey (18:22.836)
One of the things that we do, which has been a tradition for a while, which I love so much, I think includes me and my sister. My sister has children and has a similar heart. And a while back we said, “What if every year we started doing a homemade gift exchange? And so all of the children and the adults, including my parents and my kids, aunts and uncles, we all draw names in the summer. And so we have months to make a homemade gift for another member in the family. And we’ve been doing this for so long. It’s sometimes a poem that a child has created for someone and they’ve recited it, all the way to homemade toys. I sewed an apron one year for my sister -in -law. Even the smallest child, the two year old will make cookies with their mom. Paw Paw’s favorite cookies. And so you’re doing something alongside your children to help them remember this is about giving. And even if your child can’t, you know, doesn’t have money, it’s like they can still do something with their efforts and with their talents and they can create something. And so even starting in the summer, we’ll say, all right, let’s think about this person. Let’s start studying this person. Let’s think about what, instead of me just telling my child what to make them. So one year, for example, I think my son was 10 at the time. He had to observe an uncle that he didn’t know that well, you know? And I said, well, I want you to pay attention. What does he like? What does he do?
Candace Nassar (19:22.144)
Yes.
Lyndsey (19:47.66)
And this is how you become a good giver if you’re thoughtful-you think about the person. So, then, helping them come up with ideas of how to make things and spending that time the other thing we do is with our homeschool group my children are part of an entrepreneurial fair in the fall and so they create things to sell and As a family we’ve decided that and you know, we will purchase the materials for you to create the things to sell but
Candace Nassar (19:50.015)
Yes.
Lyndsey (20:16.35)
all of the money that you earn at the fall entrepreneur fair goes into your Christmas spending fund. And so at Christmas, they use the money that they’ve earned from creating all these crafts and selling them at this fair. And they purchase gifts for their family members first. And so my husband and I take them, it is a responsibility because we have four children. So we can’t take them all at the same time or they’ll see everybody buying each other’s gifts. So we take them one at a time.
Candace Nassar (20:37.511)
Yes. I
Lyndsey (20:45.26)
We help them think about their siblings and their parents and what they might like and they might have $2 to spend or they might have $10 to spend depending on the age of the child and you know what they earned. And so we just try to give opportunities to help them think of others and how to prioritize giving and they get so excited on Christmas morning to see their brother or sister open something and then it doesn’t just become about, what’s under the tree for me.
It’s, “I can’t wait to see my sibling open this thing I thought about and I sacrificed for and I’m buying for them.” So, those are just some of the things. We also, collectively as a family, try to choose a ministry or a missionary or something to give to each Christmas. We may know, the kids will contribute with their money as well, so that it really, you know, means something to them. So those are just some of the things that we’ve done.
Candace Nassar (21:38.599)
So good, so good. And I’m just imagining the anticipation that your children have as they’ve made the gifts and they’ve started and so, you know, months before by the time it comes time, they must just be giddy with excitement to give that gift away. That is the heart of Jesus, right? Is just giving the free gifts and grace and just lavishing love on our family, on those important to us and even those that we don’t know, even strangers.
Lyndsey (21:45.321)
Absolutely.
Candace Nassar (22:08.473)
I think that is so fantastic, the heart that you’re creating in your kids by doing that. Really good, really, really good.
Lyndsey (22:13.846)
Thank you, thank you. I remembered one other thing. We usually do the shoe box. Yeah, Samaritan’s Purse. We do that with our homeschool group. that, what you mentioned, like everything I mentioned so far, they’re giving gifts to people they know and they love. It’s a little bit harder for kids to connect when it’s someone they don’t know. And I think that’s really important to have them sacrifice something or give something to someone they don’t know or someone maybe they don’t connect with, you know? And so,
Candace Nassar (22:19.56)
Samaritan’s Purse?
Candace Nassar (22:41.358)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.
Lyndsey (22:43.37)
That is really important. And I feel like these opportunities, you might see a lot of them at Christmas time, like, we’re going to do a coat drive or we’re to do a canned food drive. And as moms, we’re just so busy that we can easily be like, okay, grab some cans out of my pantry, bring them to church and drop them off rather than taking one extra step to involve our children. And so what that looks like for me is like actually having my children feel what it feels like to give. And that doesn’t mean taking them to the store with me and just picking out the cans, but actually giving their money.
Candace Nassar (23:08.302)
Yes.
Lyndsey (23:13.332)
You know, and so when it comes as the children get older, they have their own money and we, we teach them, you know, that we need to use our money and we need to have some that’s for spending, and some that’s for saving, and some that’s forgiving. And so when they earn money doing a chore or a job, part of that is for giving. And so when we, you know, when these opportunities come up, really just teaching them like, “Hey, it’s a sacrifice to give.” It’s a sacrifice to give. And it should feel like that. And it should be a choice that we give with joy.
Candace Nassar (23:13.506)
Mmm.
Lyndsey (23:43.264)
And so that is something we try to do at Christmas is reserve some time and money and energy to bring the kids alongside something that’s giving outside of our home.
Candace Nassar (23:54.691)
Fantastic. So I’m just seeing such a rich Christmas season when you’re, doing the Advent prep, you’re reading scripture, they’re creating that book that you talked about that they have year over year to go back to and look at, which I know is fun. And I’m sure you’re saying they’re praying. They’re probably doing some reflection on, you know, preparing their own hearts. And then they’re doing all of these things to prepare gifts, to give gifts and you said your whole family does this drawing and so it’s something they’re getting reinforced from all the way around. It really impacts the whole commercialism aspect of just keeping Christmas focused on Jesus and not you know not letting that in. So that is really good. Such great tips. Thank you so much for all of those.Love it. Great ideas.
Lyndsey (24:46.398)
Absolutely, absolutely.
Candace Nassar (24:49.367)
Is there anything else that you would want to share with our moms to help them make this Christmas season special?
Lyndsey (24:57.512)
One thing I didn’t mention is hymns or Christmas carols and really just teaching our children what they mean because you know they sing Silent Night or they hear it on the radio but one of the things that we do each morning as well when we’re doing our Bible reading and everything is we focus on one Christmas carol a week and I have like the lyrics and we’ll sing them and they’re not just any random one. They’re ones that I’ve specifically chosen in our curriculum that kind of coordinate with that week of the scripture that you’re reading.
And so it kind of progresses in, you know, theme. And so by the end they might be singing like, Go Tell It on the Mountain, because like by the end they figured out like, “Wait, Jesus came because he came to die on the cross for us and so we can have this relationship with him. Now I want to go tell everyone.” And so by the end of the Christmas season, they’ve learned multiple Christmas carols and not just to sing them, but what they mean.
Candace Nassar (25:54.418)
So rich.
Lyndsey (25:54.432)
What was the hymnist’s intention? How can we use that as worship? And so, then, when the children hear them at the grocery store or a church, there’s a connection there, you know, and they understand why we’re singing these songs and that those things can be worship. Even if the culture, when you’re at Walmart and you’re hearing Hark the Herald Angels sing, you know, maybe that’s not the intention of Walmart, but like I love Christmas because I feel like everywhere I go, God’s glory is being shown.
Candace Nassar (26:07.146)
Mm -hmm.
Lyndsey (26:24.198)
Even if people don’t mean to, it’s like this lingering feeling in the air that is just like, it’s about Jesus. So I think that that’s really rich is to just show our kids what those songs really mean because they’re going to keep hearing them the rest of their lives. So why not teach them what they really mean?
Candace Nassar (26:37.997)
Mm -hmm
Yeah, I love that. So, so much good stuff. Well, Lyndsey, this has been a fantastic conversation. just so full of so many great things. I can’t thank you enough. How can our listeners learn more about your resources, both your Advent calendar and the other resources for
Lyndsey (27:00.576)
You can go to treehouseschoolhouse.com and, like I said, we have a connected Christmas, which is our original Christmas study. And we have a connected Christmas around the world. And both of those are a three-week study leading up to Christmas. And then if you want to continue your discipleship beyond Christmas, we have a family Bible curriculum called Rooted. And it’s a similar format where you’re doing poetry and picture study and you’re reading scripture.
You have discipleship questions, discussion questions, prayer points, and lots of hands-on learning and fun stuff there. So we also have that. But yeah, you can find us at treehouseschoolhouse.com. I wanna give you guys 15 % off if you use the code MOMQ15. You can get 15 % off, that’s right. And you can also find me on Instagram @ treehouse_ schoolhouse.
Candace Nassar (27:42.818)
Fantastic. MomQ15.
Candace Nassar (27:52.687)
Okay, wow, well you are a wealth of information and I’m inspired by all the things that you accomplish. But I also like that you said it’s at a slow pace, so you’re just letting Jesus lead you through all of these activities and endeavors that you’re doing. So it’s just really good, very encouraging. All right, well thanks again, Lyndsey, and I hope to see you again sometime.
Lyndsey (28:12.748)
So thank
Lyndsey (28:17.814)
Thank you so much, Candace. This was a great conversation. Goodbye.
Candace Nassar (28:20.005)
Yeah, thank you.
