Candace Nassar (00:00)
Well, welcome Christine. Thank you so much for being here today. This is going to be such a great conversation everybody. So we’re going to jump right in because we have so much to talk to Christine about.
And the first thing I want to know, Christine, is what stirred your heart to write more than enough? This is a very powerful Bible study based on second Corinthians and you cover so many great areas and I just want you to share with us why more than enough, why a Bible study at this time.
Christine (00:35)
Well, first, thanks for having me, Candace. I’m glad to be back. This Bible study actually started going in one direction and then the Lord just completely changed it in the midst of writing. So I started writing this Bible study on 2 Corinthians because I’ve always loved this letter that Paul has written. It’s a very raw, vulnerable letter.
Candace Nassar (00:45
Mmm.
Candace Nassar (00:58)
Mmm.
Christine (00:58)
He describes the hardship of ministry for him. And I’ve been in vocational ministry my whole married life for 25 years. And so I…have always been drawn to it for that reason, that he speaks so honestly and speaks about his motivations for ministry. It’s really been a foundational letter for me in ministry.
And so I wanted to write a Bible study on 2 Corinthians, but right when I decided to do it, my oldest son, who was 20 at the time, was diagnosed with cancer.
He was in junior college. We got a call thousands of miles away from the ER doctor that they had discovered he had been sick, gone to the ER and they discovered that there was cancer all over his body from his brain to his heart, his lungs, stomach, everything. And so, you know, as you can imagine getting that phone call, it was 11:30 at night. He’s in California. We’re in Texas. We get that phone call.
Candace Nassar (01:50)
Ugh.
Christine (01:53)
And our world has changed. Our world has completely changed in that moment. My husband flew out to get him. Hours later, he’s on a flight to be with him for surgery and to bring him home for chemo, four rounds of chemo. And so I had this Bible study. I had started researching and I just thought, I don’t know if I can do this right now, but I felt the Lord.
Candace Nassar (02:14)
Hmm, I bet.
Christine (02:16)
compelling me to continue. And the reason why, as the Second Corinthians, there’s a whole other theme of suffering and God’s strength in our weakness. And so I knew that I needed to, first of all, have something else to think about that was good for me, but two, to just spend time in a letter where Paul is talking about suffering and how God is more than enough for him in the suffering that he faced.
It was different than what I faced. It’s maybe different than what your listeners are facing, but we all encounter suffering at some point. so that, I wrote this in the midst of the deepest suffering I’ve ever been through, a year of watching my son go through cancer treatment.
And it really, my experience set the scaffolding for this study. It helped me to ask questions that people ask in suffering and to look at what God’s Word says about those things. And so, I set out to write one study and then it ended up being a different thing. But I’m so glad that God providentially had me in this book during such a time.
Candace Nassar (03:17)
Yeah.
Candace Nassar (03:28)
Mm, mm, that is a beautiful story. you know, I love how you went straight to scripture and you just poured out your heart to God and he ministered to you through that. Cause I can’t even imagine that kind of suffering. I mean, we all know as moms, there is nothing we would like more than to keep our kids from experiencing any kind of suffering.
Christine (03:53)
Yes. Yes.
Candace Nassar (03:53)
So to watch your own child go through it and not have any control whatsoever and just be pouring out your heart to God, just, I can’t, it just chokes me up. So.
Christine (04:06)
Yeah. Well, and I will say, because I would imagine there’s a lot of young moms watching this or listening to this. And you think, I have no idea how I’m going to respond. I would respond to something like that. That’s our worst nightmare. And when it happens, when it happened to me, I will say that one, yes, I was studying God’s word, but
Candace Nassar (04:12)
Yes.
Christine (04:32)
There were, it took me a while to be able to even know where to turn in scripture, but I had made deposits along the way, all along the way of my kids growing up. You know, it was hard for me to be consistent in the word when they were young.
But at some point I thought, this has got to be a discipline. And I’m so thankful, Candice, that I did that because I had deposits of God’s Word in me that God brought to mind in those first few weeks. When my brain wasn’t working, when I was overwhelmed, when I was fearful, the Lord reminded me of the things that He had taught me all along the way. And so I don’t want anybody to get the idea that I was just…
Candace Nassar (05:08)
Mm-hmm.
Christine (05:20)
sitting there, poring over scripture and just, you know, I couldn’t focus at the time. But I will say that, he brought back to mind the things that I had already deposited. And again, it was super helpful to have to sit down and study 2 Corinthians specifically at the time. But I don’t want to give the idea that it was just, this is easy.
Candace Nassar (05:45)
Yeah.
Candace Nassar (05:46)
Yeah, you know, that’s, I’m glad you said that because it is so important. I know that’s happened to me too when there’s been times where I didn’t know I didn’t know where to turn or I mean, I knew God was there, but I couldn’t even concentrate. And I would also, I have memorized a lot of scripture and it would come back. And so I know exactly what you’re saying. And that’s, that’s a great reason to do that. So thank you. So so more than enough, I mean, it’s such a great title because we
Christine (06:02)
Mmm.
Candace Nassar (06:13)
We need to know that God is our strength, that he is there for us in everything. How did you come up with that? Like how did it structure itself into more than enough?
Christine (06:26)
That kind of came along in the middle of the process because as I began studying these sections of scripture where Paul takes us through these themes, he starts with suffering. He talks about ministry and service. He talks about steadfastness. He talks about generosity. He talks about strength, God’s strength in our weakness.
What I began noticing is that Paul is trying to tell the Corinthians and he’s trying to tell us that no matter what circumstance you’re in, God is more than enough for that, that for generosity, for example, that God by His grace gives you everything that you need.
Everything belongs to him. He shares that with us so that we can then go and share it with other people. The same for suffering. God comforts us in our suffering so that we can then go and share it with other people. And so what I began to see was that Paul was saying, God is more than enough comfort for you. God is more than enough adequacy or competency for you in what you’re doing. God is more than enough, provides more than enough for you to share with others.
God gives you more than enough strength for you to endure whatever suffering or weakness that you are encountering. And so that theme just popped out at me and that’s really what I want women to come away with is that God is.
Candace Nassar (07:46)
Okay.
Christine (07:48)
God is enough. He is more than enough in anything that you’re facing, whether it’s parenting young children, worrying about them, or uncertain about a teenager. What do I do in this situation with my teenager? God is right with us and He offers Himself to us in those circumstances.
Candace Nassar (08:08)
Yeah, that’s so beautiful. And I love thinking about these, are sometimes our weaknesses, right?
Candace Nassar (08:15)
And I know there’s some great verses about that. Now I’m going to ask you about that soon. But I think about myself, like when I first understood how God uses suffering and that we can get through it with his help, and I’ve come a long way with that, but there’s still some areas like generosity. I have to be honest. It’s something I pray for all the time. And that’s what I love is that God promises that He will give us those areas. He will be there for us and give us a strength in our weaknesses. And that’s such a beautiful part of this letter. So thank you for sharing.
Christine (08:53)
Yeah, love the generosity chapters, actually stood out to me a lot. Chapters eight and nine. And what I learned from that is that God invests himself in us. That he’s an investor. So we live in Austin, there’s a lot of tech investment, that kind of thing. And people, I know people who, their job is, is to invest money into…
upstart companies because they believe that company will grow and then go on to make millions of dollars, right? And, when I was studying those chapters, that’s what stood out to me is that God, he invests his resources in us so he gives us our spiritual gifts. He gives us financial resources, he gives us our personalities, our roles, all of that and he’s investing himself in us and saying, okay, go and then use that to bless other people so that I can produce this big spiritual crop around you.
You may not see it all. In that, to me, that’s a different way of looking at it than I have looked at it before, because it’s a limitless resource. God is saying, I’m a limitless resource. So I will continue to give you what you need so that you can go and be a blessing to other people and a spiritual crop will grow up around you. I think that’s beautiful.
Candace Nassar (9:46)
Mm-hmm.
Candace Nassar (10:03)
It is, and it’s a great thing to remember as we’re, you know, do I purchase this or do I give it to the kingdom? I mean, that’s something that challenges all of us, right? And so, yeah, when he invests in us and we invest in his kingdom, then there’s so much fruit. So thank you for sharing that. so, we’ve talked about generosity. Was that the most challenging chapter for you or was there another one?
Christine (10:13)
Mm-hmm.
Christine (10:27)
Yeah.
to me that when those chapters stand out to me as producing in me the most joy as I read it, I went in like, no, I have to talk about generosity because it’s here.
You know, it’s here, so I gotta talk about it. And once I studied, I’m like, there’s just an invitation here to joy that I had never seen before. So that specifically stands out. But also, I think, you know, chapter 12, where Paul talks about God’s strength and his weakness and the thorn and the flesh. And we all know those verses, but I think studying it in context.
Candace Nassar (10:42)
Yeah
Christine (11:05)
That really changed me as well because the context of that is that Paul is addressing this group of people in the church who are boasting in their own abilities and their skills and their oratory skills and they’re able to influence so many people and to make so much money because of it. And they are boasting in these things and they’re creating this division in the church because of it. And Paul is saying, you know what?
Candace Nassar (11:15)
Mm-hmm.
Christine (11:16)
I don’t boast in any of that. I actually boast in my weakness. I want to be associated with my weakness because that is when Christ in me is demonstrated. And so seeing that in context, I’m like, oh, I do boast so much in my own abilities and skills and…
Candace Nassar (11:39)
Yeah.
Christine (11:55)
what I’ve built, what I can do, and seeing Paul to say that stuff doesn’t matter. What matters is Christ in me.
Candace Nassar (12:03)
Yeah. And I’m sure you’re not really boasting, but in our minds sometimes in our minds is where it happens, where we’re like, well, comparing ourselves or looking around and thinking, well, we, we’ve got this and we’re better than that. And, and such a false sense. I mean, it’s all pride, right? But to flip that around and think about boasting and our weakness, because God gave us those weaknesses so that we would learn to depend on him.
Christine (12:07)
in my, yes, in my mind.
Christine (12:30)
Yeah, absolutely.
Candace Nassar (12:31)
So that’s a really good point and one of my favorite verses in the whole book. So do you have a favorite verse in the book if you had to pick? Yeah.
Christine (12:35)
Uh huh. Yes. Well, that’s it. That’s it. Second Corinthians, again 12, nine through 10. But I especially like it in the amplified version. And I will say, that the verses in the amplified version, it became my marching orders during my son’s cancer because every day, every single day I would wake up and you know, when you’re suffering and you wake up and you remember.
Candace Nassar (13:02)
Yes.
Christine (13:02)
what is happening every single morning. I would wake up and I would think, I can’t do this. I don’t want to do this. I can’t believe this is my circumstances. How do I get out of this? so 2 Corinthians 12, 9 through 10, where Paul talks about that he, I’m going to paraphrase, but he embraces.
Candace Nassar (13:08)
Mm. Mm.
Christine (13:25)
He embraces the weakness, he embraces the suffering because it’s in that that God will demonstrate his power. so that those verses stand out to me as my favorite because for me personally, that’s what I needed over and over and over is just that God is in that that phrase more than enough shows up in the amplified version of this that he’s more than enough for us in any and every thing that we will face. He will be with us and he will strengthen us for it.
Candace Nassar (13:45)
Yeah.
Christine (13:55)
I experienced that. So every morning when I said, God, I can’t do, I said it to God, I can’t do this. I don’t want this. And every day he would remind me, I will give you what you need for today. Trust me. And I will give you energy. I will give you clarity. I will give you faith. I will give you comfort. And he did that.
And so each day he gave me what I needed and then the next day I would start over and again he would remind me of the same truth. So it was that truth just ringing in my head from 2 Corinthians 12 over and over that helped me endure that time.
Candace Nassar (14:21)
Uh-huh.
Candace Nassar (14:30)
What does that look like? mean, were you, when you, from him to pour into you and give you the strength and everything you needed for that day, was that just a constant prayer with you talking to him back and forth? I’m just wondering.
Christine (14:44)
Yeah, what that looks like practically. It’s absolutely me talking to him. I think I just met with a woman recently who’s been diagnosed with cancer and I just said, this is going to feel like a roller coaster. There’s going to be moments where you feel you’re at peace. You have, your mind is at peace because you trust the Lord. And the very next minute you will get a notification from the hospital with test results and you will plummet. You will plummet.
Candace Nassar (14:46)
Mm-hmm.
Candace Nassar (15:12)
Mm. Mm-hmm.
Christine (15:14)
and you will have to work, not work, but you will have to turn to the Lord in that moment and say, I don’t feel peace right now. I feel scared. Lord, help bring peace back to my heart and to my mind. And that’s, to me, that’s what it looks like, is not that I always feel even and…
Candace Nassar (15:21)
Mm-hmm.
Christine (15:33)
I’m just I’m just trusting God every moment but it’s the wrestling to trust him when I’m plummeting and knowing that he will bring me back to a place of peace and just asking him for that asking him for what I need in every moment, you know, there were times where I There was one night where I truly I could not sleep and I felt just panic just panic panic panic and all I could do was cry out to God and
Candace Nassar (15:45)
Uh-huh.
Candace Nassar (15:51)
Yeah.
Christine (16:02)
plead with him to help me, to give me peace, to help me to sleep even. And I think that that’s what,
That’s what dependence looks like. That’s what trusting him that he’ll be strong in our weakness. Cause I think a big thing for me was I felt like when the diagnosis came, there’s so many components to it. I need to help my other kids navigate this. I need to help my son. This is happening to my son. How do I help him navigate this? How do I help my husband? How do I navigate extended family? And so I felt this sense of like, I have to be strong.
Candace Nassar (16:10)
Yeah.
Candace Nassar (16:22
Yeah.
Christine (16:34)
have to help everybody. And God was saying, no, no, no, I’m not asking for you to be strong. I’m asking for you to depend upon me to be strong. I will help you. And there’s a difference. There’s a difference in that. It’s not up to me. It’s up to God. And it’s up to me to follow Him, to depend upon Him. So I can be weak with God. I can ask for what I need from Him. And He will lead the way. And I can follow Him.
Candace Nassar (17:01)
So tell us how that model, because that’s such a beautiful model for your kids, how did that help your son and how did he do through this?
Christine (17:19)
He actually, he is a very resilient person. And so I learned a lot from him, watching him, his optimism, his endurance. He didn’t seem to ride that roller coaster that I did. And so I learned from him, just steady resilience. But I do think that we had conversations a lot about
How do we trust God with this? What does it mean to be honest with God about how we’re feeling about this? That kind of thing. Just having conversations with him, helping him process. For him, it was a big loss to have to leave school and leave his friends, and he’s an athlete, so I did leave his team. And so that was the biggest hurdle for him, and that was ongoing conversation of just what—
We don’t know why, we don’t know why this is happening, but what are the things that God is doing in us as a family, as individuals? What is he doing in you? What is he teaching you? So just having those touch points in those conversations, I hope it was one of my prayers that I would be able to model to him an honest faith.
meaning honest in how I feel, but trusting God. And so I hope that that happened. That was my hope and prayer, just to be honest with him about how I was processing it without putting too much of a burden on him.
Candace Nassar (18:30)
That’s so good. Yeah, I think, I mean, I do think for me too, I was always honest. We went through some suffering, went through like three unemployment at one point that lasted over a year. And my kids, you know, it really impacted, we were living in California, it really impacted everything about their lives. And I just had to keep explaining, you know, we don’t, we don’t know why we’re going, because they would want to, they were constantly asking why, mom, why?
Christine (18:53)
Yeah.
Candace Nassar (18:55)
And I would have to say, you know, God is doing something and we just have to trust and surrender. And so that’s, love what you’re saying because I, we had to surrender every single day. I remember waking up going, okay, how are we going to pay the bills today? you know, and, and there, was just every single day, God would provide just enough light for the step we were on. And I think that
Christine (19:06)
Mmm.
Candace Nassar (19:19)
Our kids do have a hard time understanding that, but when we can model what you modeled and being honest with God, I love how you said that. I mean, God wants us to be honest with him.
We can lament and say, this is our God and I don’t want to be suffering. I don’t want to be going through this. And he is so loving and so compassionate that he will meet us right where we are.
Christine (19:28)
huh.
Christine (19:40)
Absolutely, And I do think that, you know, especially for young moms who, we just want to protect our kids from all suffering. And I, of course, I wanted to take this from him. I wanted to be the one. Let me switch places. God, like I don’t I would rather it be me.
But I think giving our kids a perspective that, suffering is a part of life. It is inevitable. You will experience hard things. And so I don’t want my kids to see me be surprised by it. Obviously, I was affected emotionally. The scripture gives us instructions on how to suffer. It tells us to…
to not be surprised by it, by any fire trial that comes your way. And so is it going to be surprising in some ways? Yes, like this was a surprise. But the idea that suffering isn’t going to happen, that’s, that’s, I don’t want my kids to think that. So I want to model for them.
that we want to respond, we want to put our faith to work. That’s what suffering does is it’s an opportunity to put our faith to work. Do we really believe what we say we believe? Here’s the opportunity to test that and to try that and to do what we say we believe. And that’s easier said than done. It’s not a linear, easy path.
Candace Nassar (21:00)
No.
Christine (21:01)
But it is an opportunity for us to live our faith. And I wanted my kids to see an example of that before they leave our home.
Candace Nassar (21:11)
Amen. I think honestly, I believe that part of that for us was that all three of my kids owned their faith. They walk with Jesus today. I just had a grandbaby two days ago. She’s born. I know. Praise God. She’s born to two parents who love Jesus. Matter of fact, they were playing worship music through the whole delivery. and you know, we I know you use the word resilient and I know that when we can suffer well,
Christine (21:20)
Praise God. Yay.
Candace Nassar (21:36)
And that’s not, like you said, it’s not going to be easy, but that is, that just screams authentic faith to our kids.
Christine (21:43)
Yes, yeah. And I don’t want that to seem like a burden that we’re putting on. In all honesty, it was me. I wasn’t trying to perform for my kids. I was truly trying to walk by faith because that’s all I had was Jesus, right? I can’t control anything else. But I did want to let my kids in on that.
Candace Nassar (21:51)
okay.
Candace Nassar (22:07)
Yeah, so that’s the authentic part of it, right? Because they can see their little radars, they can see if we’re faking it. Right. And so that’s what you’re saying is that you let them in on it, they saw the real part of what the hardship for you. And then you showed them what you did to get through it. So and then, you know, I just have to follow up before we move on with this whole this discussion, because we’ve kind of gotten stuck on this. I want to know,
Christine (22:31)
You
Candace Nassar (22:36)
How is your son today?
Christine (22:38)
Yeah, thanks for asking. He’s doing really well. So he went through four rounds of chemo and there was a potential of some really intense surgeries that he probably was going to have to do, like opening up his chest and trying to remove some of the masses that were there. our doctor in Austin, working with a world renowned doctor in his field, the doctor said, I just think…
that we don’t need to do the surgeries and that he can return to college and of course be monitored. But so that doctor used the word miracle even as saying this is a miracle. Like the numbers, his numbers that his cancer markers were off the charts. And so he got to return back and redo his junior year in college this past year. And his numbers are normal. He has normal.
Candace Nassar (3:33)
That what?
Christine (23:30)
Like just like us if I took yeah, and so I do think it’s hard, It’s been hard for me to embrace that word miracle, but I do think that god has done a miracle through medical intervention in his life and so he’s He’s a runner. He’s running He had like a personal best in his event and track this year. And so he’s doing really really well and just Off living his life. Yes. Praise the lord
Candace Nassar (23:44)
Hmm.
Candace Nassar (23:53)
Praise the Lord. mean, you know, hard fought, hallelujah. think of Brandon Lake’s song. But you know, I know so many people were praying for you, Christine. I was praying for you and your family from a distance, just watching everything unfold on social media. And you shared honestly, and it was a journey for everyone that was praying for you to know.
Christine (23:57)
Yes.
Christine (24:01)
Yes. Thank you.
Thank you.
Candace Nassar (24:15)
and see how things were progressing and to know that God has done this. It’s just a beautiful thing. like you said, mean, he used part of that was to get you to write this Bible study. I’m sure. I mean, we don’t know, right? We don’t know.
Christine (24:30)
I don’t know. I mean, it’s funny because I’m just now we’re about a year and a half out from finishing chemo and I just now have been asking why I didn’t ask why during during and I I don’t know. I don’t know why the whys are coming now and they’re not really wise as in God. I’m angry that this happened. It’s just like how do I? How?
Candace Nassar (24:42)
Hmm.
That’s so good.
Christine (24:53)
what was your purpose in it and am I stewarding this story well? I, yeah, and so I do think that this study gives me an opportunity to put a spotlight on God and just say, I don’t know why, but he’s done good things in this and not just his healing, but he’s done good things in me, he’s done good things in my son, he’s done good things in our family. Like there are…
Candace Nassar (24:57)
Mm-hmm. Yes, that’s the question. Yeah.
Christine (24:58)
God’s, when God says that he will produce good things through suffering, he’s telling the truth. That’s true. And I’ve seen that play out in my own life and in my son’s life. So I hope that I’m fulfilling God’s purpose and giving him glory for all that he’s done.
Candace Nassar (25:31)
Praise the Lord.
Candace Nassar (25:38)
Yeah, well, it sounds like it. And I feel the same way. You know, I can look back and say, would I have chosen the suffering that we went through? But on the other hand, the fruit that came out of it is indescribable. And so, yeah, God’s promises we can trust and and we have to go through it and see it, unfortunately, to to really own it. So before we wrap up, I did, there was a part of the book.
Christine (25:42)
Mm-hmm.
Christine (25:51)
That’s right.
Candace Nassar (26:02)
that I really loved a part of the study where you’re talking about the ministry of reconciliation and your, and how, because part of Paul’s purpose in writing this book is, is to kind of bring back his, I guess, reputation with the Corinthian church and address some of the things he addressed in the first letter. And I know that this is a big thing in ministry and, and we’re relationships are just so hard. And, and so,
Christine (26:16)
Yeah.
Candace Nassar (26:26)
Talk a little bit about how that applies to our everyday relationships.
Christine (26:31)
Mm hmm. Yes. One of the things that I guess I didn’t really understand before writing this book, this Bible study, was how much turmoil was going on between Paul and the Corinthian Church. I mean, I’d always known the Corinthian Church was kind of a mess, but I didn’t realize that they had how much they had turned on Paul. And so this letter, he is speaking to people who have hurt him, who have wounded him, who have betrayed him, who
Christine (26:57)
still aren’t really with him and upon receipt of this letter and what stands out to me is Paul’s his long suffering with them that he is willing to continue to reach out to them, to try to love them, to try to speak truth to them, because he cares for them.
And he’s willing to do that even though it puts him at a place of vulnerability, of being misunderstood or attacked. And so I do talk about that a lot in the Bible study, is just, how do we in our churches when we have misunderstanding or relationships that have gone awry, Paul gives us kind of an example of how we can continue to fight for those relationships.
And specifically, you asked about the Ministry of Reconciliation. He spends some time in the middle of the book. just saying like, this is who we are as people. We are ministers of reconciliation that God has given us the gospel and we’re to go and invite people into reconciliation with him and then we are to be reconciled to one another as God’s people. So there’s a lot of like, real life in this book, in this letter, real life and real relational stuff that we all deal with.
Candace Nassar (28:13)
Yeah, that’s really what spoke to me because I know today so many people, know, I hear about the younger generations, you know, I’m speaking from a grandma, right? But, but, yay. But I hear about how they don’t know how to do conflict. They don’t, it’s easier to just walk away and not continue the relationship because they don’t want to work through things. And, and I mean, I see that in all generations. So, you know, nothing against, anyway.
Christine (28:23)
Yay.
Christine (28:37)
Yeah.
Candace Nassar (28:39)
But the bottom line is it’s not easy. We need the Lord. He is more than enough and he calls us to reconcile and is at all possible. And so I love how this study walks you through that. I thought that was really helpful. So yeah, thank you. And I love the reflection too. You have a lot of great reflection. The study comes with videos.
Christine (29:02)
Mm-hmm. thanks.
Candace Nassar (29:05)
and you’re a great teacher. yeah, so I thought it was great. So you said that your prayer for the woman who does this study, or I guess a man too, anyone who does this study is for them to understand how God is more than enough for every aspect of our lives. You’ve walked through women, you’ve been in women’s ministry most of your life, I guess. What do you see as the biggest spiritual battle that moms are
Christine (29:12)
Yeah
Candace Nassar (29:28
women face today.
Christine (29:30)
There’s a lot of things and for every generation. I think that the word choice is hard because I would say anxiety, worry, fear, just…
Candace Nassar (29:32)
if you had to pick.
Candace Nassar (29:41)
Mm. Mm-hmm. Fear.
Christine (29:43)
paralyzing fear, especially over our kids, I think, as moms. So that’s what I see. And I do think that that’s, this is our generational opportunity to trust the Lord.
with our kids, think we for maybe I don’t know why but we have this sense maybe a greater sense of being able to control environments and I so I think that’s what has led to our greater fear and anxiety related to our children and so
Candace Nassar (30:09)
Mm-hmm.
Christine (30:14)
Would just say the Lord will probably take each of us through something where we recognize we don’t actually have control. I just spoke to him yesterday Dealing with infertility and she’s like I’ve always been so self-sufficient and I could control everything I felt and this has taught me and she she’s she’s like God is doing good things in me through this to show me I don’t have to control so I I would say fear and control related things is probably the biggest.
Candace Nassar (30:40)
Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Yeah, I agree. And that is the greatest thing when you can understand truly that we don’t have control and that every time we want to take it, we got to just keep surrendering it and keep giving it back. And I mean, I’m still learning that it’s a lifelong journey. Right. But I think that this study actually can really help with that.
Candace Nassar (31:03)
So, yeah.
Christine (31:05)
I hope so. I hope so. I really want women to realize God being in control is a really good thing. Even though suffering can come and will, God will do good things in it. And so it is a good thing that we have a sovereign God who is both good and all powerful.
Candace Nassar (31:20)
Amen. Goodness gracious. Well, this has been a great conversation, Christine. I have enjoyed just hearing your story a little bit more and learning the thoughts and I guess spiritual insight behind the study. So thank you and I wish you all the best with this. And I know we’re going to put in the show notes where our listeners can find the study and all of that. yeah. Thank you again.
Christine (31:39)
Thank you.
Christine (31:45)
Great. Thanks so much for having me. I loved it.
