Candace Nassar (00:00)
Welcome Felicia to the MomCube Podcast. I’m so glad, so thankful that you’re here today. It’s just such an honor to have you. I’ve been a fan of yours for a while, so it’s just great and we appreciate your time.
Phylicia (00:11)
Thank you for having me, I’m delighted to be here.
Candace Nassar (00:14)
So I’d love to start with your story, maybe first of all, you can just tell us a little bit about your family and where you are right now and then also what drew you into what we’re gonna be talking about today, which is theology, apologetics, teaching our young ones, all of that.
Phylicia (00:37)
Yeah, my name is Felicia. I have been married to my husband, Josh for almost 12 years now. I think it is, I have to check. And we have four kiddos on earth and two in heaven. My youngest is four months old. So we are in the full baby stage. My other three kids are
Candace Nassar (00:47)
You
Phylicia (00:59)
a good bit older than her. So they think she is just their baby. And it’s just been so joyful, just wonderful. She’s our little miracle. And I first came to studying theology, apologetics in my teens, was raised in a Christian home, and highly encouraged to, you know, continue my own faith walk to spend time in the word. And I just wanted to know why.
Candace Nassar (01:02
Mmm.
Phylicia (01:24)
certain things were the way they were. just had one of those questioning minds. It wasn’t ever good enough to me to just have a pat answer. I wanted to know the reason behind it. And I think that’s how it started for me. But then as I got older and you know, was working outside the home and then going to college, I just started to see, you know, my generation had these questions and these easy answers, Sunday school answers, weren’t enough for them. They wanted to know
Candace Nassar (01:24)
Mmm.
Candace Nassar (01:48)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Phylicia (01:50)
like, why can I trust the Bible? Or why can the Bible tell me what to do? You know, why does it get to tell me how to live sexually? You know, things like that. And so I just kept asking the question behind the question and enjoyed it so much that I eventually went on to get a degree in religion. And I did not think at the time that I would be going into ministry.
I got the degree because I had a job that I liked. I worked for my university, so they paid for my degree. And I thought, well, this is interesting and it’s demanding program. It’s kind of challenging for me. So this is what I’ll do. But the Lord had other plans and he opened door after door for us to actually now Josh and I together get to lead every woman theologian, which gets to minister to women around the world.
Candace Nassar (02:18)
Mm-hmm.
Candace Nassar (02:33)
Fantastic, that’s a great story. I love what you’re talking about that you as a team started questioning the why behind your faith. And we’re gonna get into that as we talk about discipling our children. And definitely in the teen years, we did the same thing. We encouraged our children to explore and they would ask those questions and we said, you know, you go and you find the answers in the Bible and you do the research.
And it’s just so critical because they’re all three as adults still walking with the Lord and I feel very strongly that that has a lot to do with it. Kids need to know the why behind it.
Phylicia (03:06)
amazing.
Phylicia (03:11)
Yes. I love that you did that. That’s very similar to what my parents did, that they were just so intentional to make us do the legwork on the question. They would answer, they would participate in the conversation, but they’re teaching us how to find the answer. So more of how to look for it rather than, oh, I as the parent am the end all be all. I am the answer. It was like, no, there is an answer beyond us and we want to teach you how to find it. And I think that is something that I’ve taken with me.
Candace Nassar (03:42)
Yes, that’s so good. And I always say God can take your questions, right? And I know you do that and you answer those questions so strongly, so I’m excited to hear more about it. what did God teach you though through that season when you were doing just figuring things out?
Phylicia (03:57.802)
Yes,
Phylicia (03:59)
Well, one of the things that I actually forgot about this part of my story until a few years ago, and it just like, suddenly popped back into my head and I realized that was a really pivotal time. So I had a friend who I really cared for who was grown up in a Christian home, but was exploring atheism. And because my friend was exploring atheism, I wanted to read about it too.
So I actually got the same books that he was reading, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, I think I was about 17 or 18 years old. Remember going into my public library and borrowing these books and bringing them home. And my parents never said anything. never were, you know, they didn’t question me getting the books. They did not freak out when I got the books, but I would read a chapter of Dawkins and then I would compare his claims to what I saw in the Bible.
And I did this just on my own time. And years and years later, like, you know, in my thirties, I told my mom, I’m so shocked that you did not freak out when I brought these books home. was like, I don’t know how I’d feel if one of my kids brought home like the major atheist writers of her time. And she said, I was freaking out. I was freaking out on the inside. And I think that that really, yeah, it was really formational because, because she did not visibly panic, I felt like this is a safe place for me to, to explore this, to explore these ideas. And I came out on the other side.
Candace Nassar (05:04)
Yeah. okay. Good for her.
Phylicia (05:23)
with a stronger faith. So I think that that was a pivotal time for me in the formation of my theology and in actually engaging with the claims of atheists instead of it being like this far off foreign thing that’s mysterious and like, do they believe? I don’t know. Maybe they are smarter than me or wiser. It was like, no, I know exactly what they’ve said and I know what scripture says and I know who I believe.
Candace Nassar (05:25)
Mmm.
Candace Nassar (05:47)
That’s so great. There’s so many elements to that that I love. The fact that you investigated it, that obviously scripture stood up to it and you are much better prepared today for what you’re doing. And then the fact that your mom trusted God enough with you and your faith to allow that to happen. So I think that’s a great segue actually into what I want to talk a little bit about how moms do, we so often hear the word apologetics and we get intimidated. So first of all, start by just telling us what is apologetics?
Phylicia (06:25)
Yeah. So when we hear apology in today’s society, we think like someone saying, I’m sorry, but an apology for most of history, how that that word was used was as a defense. So to make a defense or to, to defend your viewpoint. And so you could be a Muslim apologist. You could be an atheist apologist, you know, it’s whatever your viewpoint is, it’s your defense of that viewpoint. And then Christian apologetics, we’re obviously arguing, making logical arguments.
Candace Nassar (06:44)
Mm-hmm.
Phylicia (06:55)
for the faith. And when you’re doing apologetics, you can do biblical apologetics where you’re using biblical proofs. You can do philosophical proofs. You can argue from nature. You can argue from rationality. There’s all these different ways that you can argue a point. But I think a lot of moms feel, and I feel this way too sometimes, like there’s too much to know for me to possibly teach my kids all that they’ll need.
Candace Nassar (06:57)
Mm-hmm.
Phylicia (07:26)
to be able to defend their faith. Or I don’t know how to defend my faith fully, so how can I teach my kids to do that? And that can be really overwhelming for a lot of moms, for sure.
Candace Nassar (07:35)
Sure. So why does it matter that why do we need to do I mean we need to defend our faith but in the everyday how often does that is that going to happen.
Phylicia (07:46)
Well, it’s so interesting because as a mom to elementary aged kids, my oldest is going into middle school. It’s a lot of my apologetics is actually done to my kids based on their questions versus like in the square. Now I do a lot of apologetics type teaching on social media and even, you know, in my real life, but my kids ask some really hard questions.
Candace Nassar (07:58)
Mm-hmm
Phylicia (08:13)
and even some very skeptical questions and doubtful questions. And I think that it matters for us to answer these because if we as the primary teacher, primary caregiver, primary person of influence, us and your inner spouse, if you have one, it’s our job to be that front line. Because there’s going to be a lot of people who are going to offer answers that aren’t actually
true to who God is. So we get the privilege of doing that. And that does mean that we have to take some ownership though over our own faith so that we are equipped to do that.
Candace Nassar (08:51)
Yeah, that’s really perfect. And I think too that when our kids, if those questions aren’t answered, if they don’t have, if they don’t own their faith, right, if they don’t own their faith by the time they get to college, that’s where we really see the fallout because that’s when, I mean, they’re gonna hear, they’re gonna get people speaking into them with different viewpoints and a lot of…
Phylicia (09:12)
Hmm.
Candace Nassar (09:13)
doubt in high school, when they get to college, it gives it’s the professors, it’s all of that, right? And if they don’t own it and they don’t have those answers in their own mind to those same things, that’s when it really, really can do some damage.
Phylicia (09:27)
Yeah. Yeah. And it’s the thing that I see often, I was homeschooled, I homeschool my kids that one of the weaknesses of the homeschool world, and I love it, but one of its weaknesses is it often will raise kids that can defend the faith theoretically, like rhetorically, they can, they can defend the faith, but they’re not actually in settings where they’re face to face with a person. So it’s like conceptual.
Now I was, the way I was homeschooled was a little different. My parents, we were in 4-H, we had friends from all different walks of life. You know, we were engaged in the world, so to speak. but I think depending on how a parent, like where your kids go to school, how you train for apologetics is going to have to look, kind of unique to that situation. Because what I found with, homeschoolers is you can raise these kids that just like, yeah, they know in the Bible inside out and upside down, but they actually don’t know the heart of God.
So they’re very, very quick to jump on any quick answer. They can answer all of those like heady questions, but it’s just another school subject to them. Same thing can happen with kids in Christian school. But in public school, you have a different struggle. So you’re in you’re kind of engaging every day where with public school kids, I think there’s a little bit of more exhaustion that can happen because you’re constantly having to engage with this. And there’s a lot more influence, peer influence in that regard that can be negative.
Depending on what your family situation is, I think you have to equip for apologetics differently and be aware of what your kid’s particular struggles are with their faith. I have one child that engages more emotionally with faith. I have another one that engages more intellectually with faith. They have pros and they have cons.
Candace Nassar (10:51)
Mm-hmm.
Candace Nassar (11:01)
That’s a great point.
Phylicia (11:15)
And so you’re really having to focus on one, growing in your own faith and two, helping them grow customized to their walks. You just can’t farm this out to the youth pastor. And I think that’s the biggest thing to be aware of.
Candace Nassar (11:27)
Mmm. Mmm.
Candace Nassar (11:31)
Absolutely. I love that. I mean, I actually not only put my kids in public school for high school and homeschooled them early, but I ended up teaching in high school. I taught in the public high school. So I did that for 10 years. So really, that’s an interesting point about the exhaustion. But at the same time, it gives you good practice. And you also see people of so many different
Phylicia (11:45)
That’s awesome, wow.
Phylicia (11:54)
Yes.
Candace Nassar (11:58)
journeys, right? And where they’re at, you know, maybe they’re just a seeker or whatever and or not even they’re hostile. like what you said about we don’t really have that perspective of love all the time. And I think that’s another good point. Is to when we engage with the truth, we also want to speak it in love. So really good.
Phylicia (12:04)
Mm-hmm.
Phylicia (12:16)
Yes, right.
Candace Nassar (12:18)
So as we’re thinking about how apologetics affects our everyday life, we’re talking about training up our kids and all that sort of thing. Why is it important to know to be able to defend our faith when if let’s say we’re just talking about living our life and through our marriage and parenting, maybe we have anxiety issues, maybe we have control.
Phylicia (12:34)
Mm-hmm.
Candace Nassar (12:39)
How can knowing my faith, knowing the word, but knowing why I believe what I believe, how can it impact that?
Phylicia (12:44)
Yeah. Yeah. I think that we tend to think we only need to know why we believe what we believe for these high conflict conversations. Like of our kids are in a situation where they have a peer at school asking them to lie or to do something wrong. And they’re like, no, this is why I believe what I believe. Or if you’re like witnessing to somebody or to a family member. And it’s true that apologetics is important in those, those situations.
Candace Nassar (12:55)
Right.
Phylicia (13:14)
But more often than not, knowing why you believe what you believe about Christ comes to bear in the very mundane daily rhythms of life. It’s coming through when you have a temper and you tend to lose your temper with your kids. And instead of continuing down that path, you say, why do I believe what I believe about Jesus Christ? I believe that I am saved by grace and faith.
Candace Nassar (13:24)
Exactly.
Phylicia (13:41)
and that through him, I can die to these patterns of un-Christlikeness and I can become more like him. And I’m going to allow him to do that in front of my kids every day. Well, that’s a greater witness to your kids than all the apologetics textbooks that you can give them. They might be able to defend the Trinity, but if they have never seen a parent transformed by their personal walk with Christ,
it’s gonna be hard for them to put the pieces together of why Christianity really matters. And when I look back on my own childhood, my parents never required that any of us, there were six of us, any of us read our Bibles. They never like made a checklist, made a, and I don’t think it’s wrong if a parent does that, but my parents never did. And I thought that was kind of odd when I got older because all six of us, like your kids, Candace.
And I thought, well, that’s kind of funny because we all on our own, we do read the word and seek the Lord. Where did that come from? We watched it in front of us every day. We saw it happen. We saw my dad get up early. We saw, if you got up early enough to go get breakfast, you’d see my dad reading and praying in the living room. You saw my mom come out later and sit in her armchair and be going through memory verses in her armchair.
Candace Nassar (14:49)
wow.
Candace Nassar (14:56)
Mm.
Phylicia (15:03)
I have distinct memories of seeing them do the thing that they encouraged us to do, but never required. And so when it comes to like knowing why you believe what you believe, like, yes, if somebody challenges you on the nature of Jesus and the resurrection, I hope you can answer that. But it’s more about living out the faith that you claim first in front of your kids and then to the rest of the world. And so often, I don’t know, I think we just…
Candace Nassar (15:24)
Mm.
Phylicia (15:31)
We think that it’s built, apologetics fit theology, it’s built for these big, big stages or big situations. It’s really built for the day to day. And that is the most, pivotal place because that’s, that’s what your kids see the most of.
Candace Nassar (15:46)
so rich and I love that image of your parents and your dad being at the table. I think about how if we do require our kids to do certain things, that sort of can take the joy out of it, right? And so you’ve seen that modeled. I think that’s exactly how the faith is caught, right? That’s how it’s caught.
Phylicia (16:07)
Yeah. And like suggesting even versus requiring, you know, that’s something I remember my dad suggesting, you know, like maybe you should read through the gospel of John, but just like tossing it out there, you know, like if, if, if you’re ready to, know, get some answers here it is, but it’s not treated like, like I said, like another school subject. I do fear that with apologetics, certain types of kids can start to treat it like it’s
Candace Nassar (16:12)
Mm-hmm.
Candace Nassar (16:17)
Mm.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Phylicia (16:36)
math lesson or or like winning an argument and then they start to miss the intimacy part.
Candace Nassar (16:37)
Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I get that. I mean, I’ve experienced that sometimes myself. I love apologetics, which why I found you, every woman a theologian, because it’s something that is kind of a hobby for me. And I think I pass that somewhat along to my kids.
How about we move on now and talk about your book that I’m so interested in is Raising Tiny Disciples because we’ve been talking about discipling our kids and training them up and all of how to defend their faith and how it enriches their faith and gives them that ability, that rock to stand on. What does everyday discipleship actually look like, when life is loud and imperfect?
Phylicia (17:25)
Well, I’ll give you actual examples because I’m living this right in real time. In Raising Tiny Disciples, reason I put that book together was not because I’m an expert on parenting. I recognize my oldest is 10. I think we would all be more likely to read a book from you, Candice, having grown children. But what I found is that a lot of my older mom friends who are in their 50s and 60s
Candace Nassar (17:41)
goodness.
Phylicia (17:46)
they actually could not remember the details of the youngest years with their kids. Like some of it had faded away. Some of it, they were like, well, I remember some, not all. So I wrote down what I had been taught by them and had implemented. And that’s what’s in raising tiny disciples. So it’s what my mentors, my mom, these older moms who’ve mentored me, the tips they gave me for discipleship based on
Candace Nassar (18:05)
Okay.
Phylicia (18:14)
Exodus where it says, you know, when you, when you come and you go and you sit and you rise and you walk like disciple your kids in the truth, which means there’s a way to disciple your kids in every basic moment of the day. That’s what Exodus is basically saying. So with a 10 year old, eight year old, five year old, and four month old, what does that look like?
Well, it’s actually looked pretty similar for us over the last, you know, I would say, seven years since my oldest was a toddler. It’s finding the times of day when you are together, whether that’s in the car during school pickup or for us, it’s at meal times because we’re at home or in we’re eating together multiple times a day to intentionally one expose yourself to the word of God and to to engage with those questions that they have.
And this literally does not have to take more than 10 to 15 minutes. We’ll do it multiple times a day in 10 to 15 minutes. It’s just creating space for those questions. So what we’ve done over the years, we’ve done storybook Bibles that we’ve read through and talked about each chapter. We’ve done the real Bible, now that they’re a little older, going through with a devotional. Right now we’re doing a virtue study that we look up a scripture about it, and then we talk about things like diligence and patience and…
righteousness, things like that. And we’ve also done apologetics books, like so we’ve used little books that answer hard questions and talk about things like where the Bible come from and creation and things like that. And all of this is not this is just little bits every single day. That’s all it is. And I always tell parents, it would be better if you did 10 minutes every day than an hour every three weeks. Because
Candace Nassar (19:59)
Mm.
Phylicia (20:00)
The little tiny consistent exposure, making it a part of your regular life, that’s what shows them the priority. And a lot of American families, we carve out hours a day for sports. We carve out hours a day for screen time or for music or whatever our family’s thing is, hiking, whatever it is that you love. We’ll make lots of time for that, but we just can’t quote unquote, find time to prioritize scripture.
Candace Nassar (20:13)
Hmm.
Phylicia (20:29)
But really what is the issue is it’s just not a priority. And we’ve told ourselves that we need like an hour a day to do it. And you don’t, you really don’t. It’d be better if it was, all right, we’re gonna listen to this passage in the car on the way to school, on the way to co-op. And then we’re gonna talk about it for a couple of minutes. And then maybe on the way home. Well, did you have any questions about that? Like what’s a real life situation where you could have seen that play out, you know? And the more you do it, the easier.
Candace Nassar (20:37)
Right.
Candace Nassar (20:48)
Mm-hmm.
Phylicia (20:56)
it gets. So that’s what we do. It’s at meal times a lot of times or it’s before breakfast in the living room. We read a passage of scripture, we talk about it a little bit and then we pray. And then if we watch the news, we pray over something from the news. And it’s quite, quite simple.
Candace Nassar (21:11)
Yeah, and I bet I’m sure you’re like me is I was constantly as we were praying over things with the kids and as a family, when God would answer, you know, we would point those out too, right? And so that can those are great conversations. I mean, really, like what you’re saying is, it’s a lot of conversation. It’s just making sure you prioritize those.
Phylicia (21:32)
It is. It is. I actually was, I recently opened up a book by Sally Clarkson. I have a bunch of Sally Clarkson’s books and she had one that had on my shelf. hadn’t read it. It was called giving your words. And I was actually shocked by the introduction because in the introduction she said that a lot of parents actually don’t talk to their kids that much. And I mean, maybe I’m just, I’m a talker. That’s what I do for a living. So maybe my kids will be like, I wish he hadn’t talked so much, you know,
You could have cut back on that. But I was kind of shocked because I was like, wait, well, what are they doing then? And it’s a lot of times the screens get in the way. Our screens as parents, like having our phones always present, having a TV going, iPads, even at school having their Chromebook or whatever that they use, it’s just screen to screen, to screen.
So you’re not actually face to face just talking. And so if that’s not your family culture, you have to really intentionally cut that back, cut that out and prioritize being face to face. So one of our cardinal rules is no screens in the car unless it’s a like six hour road trip. So no phones, no iPads, you know, dropdown screens, none of that in the car. And that’s a time where you can talk. You’re in the car for 20 minutes or whatever. That would be a great time where you could integrate that. But it does definitely take intentionality.
Candace Nassar (22:54)
Yeah, I remember we lived in California for a time, which you just can’t get any more beautiful than San Diego driving along the highway there by the ocean. And we would hit a sunset, right? And I would just be like, look what God has done. know, just those God moments like that too, just pointing things out, just constantly reiterating how God is at work every single day and the rhythms of every day.
Phylicia (23:09)
Yes.
Yes.
Phylicia (23:13)
Yes.
Candace Nassar (23:21)
Right?
Phylicia (23:22)
Yes, yes, that is so, powerful because like you said, talking about answered prayers, that is so important because kids, kids are very literal and they will often be like, well, I prayed and he didn’t answer. I was mad and I asked God for help and I’m still mad. And so, like, for example, in that situation, one of the phrases we use is the strength comes as you obey. Like you can pray and ask God for strength.
Candace Nassar (23:28)
Mm-hmm.
Phylicia (23:45)
but he’s still asking you to obey and oftentimes the Holy Spirit will supply the strength as you step out in faith and you do the right thing. So he’s not going to change your emotions before he’s going to let you step out in faith that it’s the right thing to do and then the strength will come. discipling through those moments or remember one time my second daughter, she loves gardening and plants and nature and bugs and all the things. And we went out to the garden and we got a zucchini plant and they’re huge.
Candace Nassar (23:52)
Mm-hmm.
Phylicia (24:14)
their leaves are huge and we lifted up the leaf and there was a zucchini and she gasped and she said, God made this just for me. And I, you know, you could just be like, well, a zucchini just grows fruit. That’s just what it does. But the truth is that scripture tells us that God provides for his people through the natural laws of creation. And that’s what she saw. And that’s something to celebrate and encourage and to even say like,
Candace Nassar (24:29)
Okay.
Phylicia (24:42)
you said about the sunset, always say you get to take God personally. He made this for you. Just like when she sees the zucchini, he made it for you. And it makes it personal to them, not just intellectual.
Candace Nassar (24:48)
Mm, mm-hmm.
Candace Nassar (24:54)
Yeah, I think that’s so powerful. sometimes maybe we think our kids would get tired of hearing that, but they don’t if it’s coming from our heart. And we’re really just sincere in trying to pass on the love and the knowledge and the depth of who God is. Well, this has just been so great. And as we start to wrap up, Felicia, what would you say to the mom who feels unqualified for? all for discipling her children, answering their questions, all the things we’ve talked about.
Phylicia (25:23)
Well, I don’t remember who said it. It might’ve been Elizabeth Elliott. I’m not exactly sure. But there was a quote that basically God knows, God knew that you were the one to raise your kids. And he doesn’t call the qualified, he qualifies the called. So he’s given you these children, he is going to give you what it takes to raise those children. And you will feel like you’re not able to do it at some.
some points and that’s because you’re supposed to rely on the Holy Spirit to give you that strength. The other thing is, it’s not like you have to know everything ahead of time because it’s a day by day thing. If you have all this useless knowledge about, you know, abstract theological concept, but your child never asks about any of that, you would be unqualified to answer their question. So they’re going to have their own questions and you can learn alongside them. I have one child that consistently asked me,
How do I hear God’s voice? How do I hear God’s voice? And explained, you know, it’s through scripture first and then the Holy Spirit speaks to your inner man and what he says will line up with scripture. But you have to be in prayer and you have to be in the word. And that was just like such a struggle for them to understand that I did more study on that topic to adequately explain to them what it takes to hear God’s voice.
I have a religion degree. Nobody, didn’t take a class on hearing God’s voice in my religion degree. I had to study that more to disciple my kids well. So you can always learn, what you need to know to answer your kids questions.
Candace Nassar (26:53)
Mm-hmm.
Candace Nassar (26:58)
Yes, they sure can. You’ve got great resources for that, for sure. Well, you’ve got your podcast and then you put out some great clips on social media; so powerful. And so just, I encourage our listeners to get on, check you out on Instagram.
Phylicia (327:04)
Mm-hmm.
Candace Nassar (27:14)
Tell us about some of your resources on your website.
Phylicia (27:18)
Yeah, so we have a bookstore on my website, which is at FeliciaMasonheimer.com. Our podcast is free content and there’s a lot there. If you’ve never listened to it, you can go to the backlog of episodes. We have a series on women in the Bible, a series on how the Bible was compiled and Ask Anything series. There’s lots, lots of episodes. We’re also on YouTube now. And then in our bookstore, we have little quick theology booklets. We have kids resources, so card sets and how to teach kids to pray.
how to understand the gospel, kids theology handbook with like little Q and A’s for elementary age kids. There’s a lot of different resources. We have a sermon notes printable guide that’s coming for kids in March. So lots of fun stuff that you can use or you can use to grow. And then our cornerstone book is Every Woman a Theologian. And that book walks through kind of the basics of Christian theology.
Candace Nassar (28:11)
Yeah, and I remember you mentioning a book that I guess you wrote it a while back about Stop Calling Me Beautiful.
Phylicia (28:17)
Yes, that was my very first book. And that one is about taking our faith deeper than the surface level. So it’s kind of like the, always tell people if they want to read the books in order, that would be stop calling me beautiful, then every woman a theologian, then every home a foundation, then raising tiny disciples. So they’re kind of like almost in a progression based on topic from broad to more narrow.
Candace Nassar (28:38)
Mm-hmm. Well, I just love how you empower women to become deeper in their faith, and you give us the tools, and you are just so inspirational. So I thank you so much for all that you do, and just continuing to show up. It’s hard, I can’t imagine, with four kids and a new one. You continue to do it, so thank you.
Phylicia (29:03)
Thank you so much, Candice.
Candace Nassar (29:05)
great having you.
